Red Bali vs White Thai Comparison

July 03, 2018 Articles, Kratom Reviews, Kratom Strains

Ordinarily on this blog when we do a comparison of two kratom strains, it’s based strictly on the known effects of said strains and the word we receive from the kratom community at large. So, this time out we decided what the hell? Why not do something a little different?

This past week, I took Red Bali and White Thai in varying doses to see what it’s like for myself. Just like an episode of MTV’s Jackass carries a disclaimer that such stunts should not be performed by viewers, I’m gonna say right up front that this is not something I advise any of our readers to consider doing.

This is strictly for research purposes only since kratom is not approved for human consumption by the FDA.

With that fair warning out of the way, let’s get crackin’!


I’ve had Red Bali before, both from the Kratom Crazy store and elsewhere. For the purposes of this comparison, I decided to take a cue from our top kratom vendors list and go with Gaia Ethnobotanical. What I dig about Gaia is the texture; their kratom is some of the most finely ground powder I’ve seen from other vendors and their prices are dope!

In the past, I’d tried their white vein stuff and been more than satisfied, but I never sampled their red vein before. The experience was definitely worthy of their number one spot on our 2018 list.

As I no doubt covered in earlier posts, I’ve suffered from Fibromyalgia for most of my life and have sustained a lot of injuries over the years from blowing out my kneecap to dealing with compressed discs and vertebral fractures. My lower back pain is a constant and very few things have helped.

After losing a job because of my back injuries, I started going to a pain management doctor who gave me epidurals that only seemed to make the pain worse. Physical therapy also seemed to exacerbate my condition.

Around this same time, I discovered the world of nootropics, first because I was looking for something to enhance my cognitive ability and sharpen my focus (as a writer, you get burned out easily and you’re more at a loss for words than one might think), but then I found out about kratom from a friend in the industry and I couldn’t believe what it was able to do for my chronic pain.

After a few days of doing the proverbial toss n’ wash, my ass went from Debbie Downer couch potato to motivated maniac, cranking out work at record pace and being active again after months of relative inertia.

Now, I can tell you that IMO, there is no better kratom strain for pain relief than Red Bali. Its alkaloid profile ensures that its analgesic properties will be felt. Again, I’m not basing this on concrete scientific evidence and I’m not contradicting anything the government might be saying about kratom, I’m just giving you the facts as far as what I’ve felt in my own life.

I’m happy to report that Gaia Ethnobotanical’s Red Bali was no exception in this regard. I had a mid-morning flare-up where my knees were killing me and I had searing pain at the base of my spine. I used my daily regimen of Lidocaine and it didn’t do jack. As I had planned, that afternoon I took a 4 gram helping of Red Bali and within 15 minutes, the pain had subsided. I felt ready to get down to business and, perhaps more interestingly, I felt a profound sense of calm wash over me.

This last part is a bit uncommon for Red Bali, at least in terms of how relaxed I felt because Red Bali is also known to be a very stimulating kratom strain. Nevertheless, I felt chill, I felt relief and I felt the motivation we all crave.

So, how does Red Bali differentiate itself from White Thai? It’s all about the “supposed” effects. Here’s what one may be able to expect from Red Bali:

  • Pain relief (duh!)
  • Mild stimulation
  • Relaxation
  • Mild euphoria


White Vein Thai Kratom is one of the most in-demand kratom strains around because it’s rare. Few reputable kratom vendors stock it on a regular basis. Personally, I’ve never been a huge fan of it, but I see its pros as well as its cons.

Again, all of these things are relative. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, everyone’s different and no two people will respond the same way to any kratom strain. It boils down to personal preference and physiological makeup.

For me, I am usually predisposed to the jitters. Even though I’m a lifelong coffee junkie, I can’t say coffee is a fan of me. Whenever I’ve had more than one cup of coffee in my life, I’ve ended up feeling nauseous, shaky or sick in the head. By that, I mean that I get a headache in the front of my head, not that I experience the thoughts of an axe-wielding homicidal maniac or nothing (that’s just me most days lol).

The same is true of white vein kratom; almost every time I’ve had it, I got shaky, nervous and queasy. I’d say this was just me, but I’ve talked to countless people who have agreed with me about this being the worst kratom strain when it comes to the jitters and the wobz.

But like the good little soldier I am, I told myself that the show must go on. So, for the purposes of this review, I’ve taken it upon myself to brave the white vein one last time.

This can be thought of as a two-pronged review in that, for the sake of being fair and balanced, I didn’t just order both strains from Gaia Ethnobotanical. Instead, I ordered White Thai from Kat’s Botanicals, a vendor that sources their stuff from multiple farms.

I’d never dealt with Kat’s before, so this seemed like the perfect time to check them out. Before I jump right into my experience with White Thai, I should say that I’ll definitely be reviewing Kat’s Botanicals in the future, if for no other reason than they have quite the variety of products.

So, White Thai differs from Red Bali because it’s both more sedating and more energizing than the latter. Some people are even taken aback by its sedating effects while can lead to that jitteriness and nervousness I usually experience.

This time out, I decided to take the lowest possible dose, just to see if I could handle it. Luckily, taking the threshold made for decent results. I was neither jittery nor nauseous and actually felt pretty pleasant. I was alert, calm and motivated to get things done.

I took another 2 mgs about two hours after my initial dose and ended up doing extra reps at the gym. By hour three, I was feeling the burn, but I didn’t even really care and when I got home and my muscles were sore, I just downed 4 mgs of the Red Bali and I was right as rain.


I don’t often say this, but I think in this instants, Red Bali and White Thai compliment each other. The former is the best for analgesia while the latter is a smooth energy-boosting strain. Red Bali’s anxiolytic attributes offset the potential jitters of White Thai, suggesting that it might be a good idea to graft these two together.

Bob Freville
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